ähm was isn hier los? wo sind die infos? fotos usw? bzw waren das 4 seiten? wtf?

weil da jemand wie es aussieht ein problem mit sich selbst hat was weitsichtigkeit, eigene angelernte tabuisierung angeht und ein lemming des systems zu sein scheint was das thema>> nein sowas darf doch niemandem gezeigt werden sonnst könnte ja jemand sehn wies im krieg wirklich zugeht.

+ zum schluss ein treadleser der sorte ( krieg >> juhu die haben sicher bombenstimmung noch umdenken und nachdenken könnte das, das vielleicht doch ned so lustig ist was da abgeht!!!!
gibt auch zusätzlich genug gäste die hier am board vorbeischaun und mitlesen was hier in dem thread so geposted wird. auch diesen wurde ein teil der informationen entzogen. )

bedanken könnt ihr euch vorerst beim eigengrau der hoffentlich zur vernunft kommt, sieht wie sehr er von seinen eigenen tabus gefangen ist und sogar anderen den zugang zu informationen verwehrt nur weil er selbst damit nicht klar kommt.


noch dazu wenn die infos aus zig quellen zusammen gestellt wurden was auch die eigene suche für jeden den das thema intressiert massivst verringert.

und nein > es waren keine zerfetzen leichen ect. sondern ein totes pferd, ein typ mit verbranntem gesicht (nein nicht biss auf die haut sondern zweiten grades) und einer der einen eingebundenen kopf hatte wegen verbrennungen + einen kleinen jungen der auch in zig videos in öfftentlichen tv stationen gezeigt wurde welche nun allem anschein nach blind ist.

+ wirklich viele zusatz infos + 2 links zu objektiven berichten wo beide seiten genau beleuchtet wurden!!![/b]

und das nochdazu in einem thread der heisst: GAZA Konflikt: was uns die medien nicht zeigen...!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif)

Der Beitrag wurde von dj AcidGreen/Acidrecords bearbeitet: 14 Jan 2009, 18:28

ohne mich einmischen zu wollen, aber nicht jeder will hier irgendwelche grausigen fotos sehn, reicht in solchen fällen nit einfach ein querverweis mit einem link zum entsprechenden fotos und jeder darf dann selbst entscheiden ob er draufklicken will oder nicht?

Du hast deine Beiträge und kannst sie ohne Erwähnten in ihrem ganzen Informationsgehalt gerne wieder posten. Oder Grenzen austesten und dich beschweren wie böse ich nicht zu dir bin, anstatt zu posten was dir angeblich am Herzen liegt.

@ Andros

ich hab die pics einfach so gepostet who shells... im funny pics und krocha forum sind genauso irgend welche fotos gepostet und keiner regt sich auf über die fritzen und was gepostet wurde + zusätzlich macht es doch viel mehr sinn in bezug auf was ich in obigem post geschrieben habe:

>>>>>>> auszug obiges post:
+ zum schluss ein treadleser der sorte ( krieg >> juhu die haben sicher bombenstimmung noch umdenken und nachdenken könnte das, das vielleicht doch ned so lustig ist was da abgeht!!!!
gibt auch zusätzlich genug gäste die hier am board vorbeischaun und mitlesen was hier in dem thread so geposted wird. auch diesen wurde ein teil der informationen entzogen. )
<<<<<<<

ich weiss nicht ob du für diesen bereich mod rechte hast aber du solltest sie dann sehen können (sind derzeit auf hide gesetzt + laut seiner info hat angeblich jeder mod eine pm dazu bekommen?)


+ jeder der den thread namen liest sollte doch wissen das da material sein wird das nicht alltäglich ist oder?
in zig anderen foren steht oben drüber entweder achtung, oder heavy content ect bevor pics kommen, der thread namen alleine sollte doch eigentlich wirklich reichen oder etwa doch nicht?

@ eigengrau

lies mal meine letzte lange pm genau und frage dich bitte wirklich selbst ob das problem denn wirklich am content liegt oder an deinen persönlichen problemen damit was tabus und vom system schon so verbogen zu sein, welche ich dir doch sehr anschaulich wiedergespiegelt habe das du dir das recht herausnimmst einfach anderen personen informationen vorenthalten zu wollen anstatt den thread einfach nicht weiter zu beachten und
damit leben zu können
das in der welt nicht überall rosa blumen blühen und weisse kaninchen springen.
(intressante flauschige farbe oder? so schön weich und kuschellig.. ohne gewalt, ohne hass ...doch die realität ist anders (IMG:style_emoticons/default/exclamation.gif) )

wie kommen die user dazu sich so einschränken zu lassen nur weil du selbst pers. mit (nicht mal unbedingt wirklich heavy content in bezug auf was ich posten hätte können weil eh selber effekt) den fotos nicht klar kommst? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dozingoff.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif)

ich finde das gegenüber allen usern die das thema wirklich intressiert eigentlich sehr eigensinnig, uneinsichtig und vorallem wirklich anstandslos wie du hier mit deinen mod rechten umgehts und vor den usern informationen versteckst. welche nicht beleidigend, nicht menschenverachtend, keine beschimpfungen ect. enthalten haben!


Der Beitrag wurde von dj AcidGreen/Acidrecords bearbeitet: 14 Jan 2009, 19:01

ich seh die fotos, und ich müsste sie jetzt net unbedingt sehn wollen, allerdings hat mir die link sammlung bisher ganz gut gefallen von dir - wo is das problem dabei einfach den link hinzuposten, dazuzuschreiben: wäh grausig, wer sehn will draufklicken.

und ja, von mir wurden schon zur genüge pics aussn funny pics thread gelöscht, also kümmerts scheinbar doch jemanden was gepostet wird (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Ich glaub der Sinn einer Grenzziehung ist, dass es noch schlimmere Sachen gibt. Wie kommen aber andere User dazu, dass du den Thread für Metadiskussionen missbrauchst während wir, dass sowieso auch in PMs diskutieren. Also zurück zum eigentlichen Thema und, auch wenn die Kriegsherren es nicht mehr haben, hier das nötige Feingefühl bewahren.

PS nach unten: Danke.

Der Beitrag wurde von eigengrau bearbeitet: 14 Jan 2009, 19:19

ich weise dich nochmal auf den threadnamen hin welcher lautet:
GAZA Konflikt: was uns die medien nicht zeigen...

daher eigentlich müssten hier lauter zerfetzte leichen und alles was sonst noch gehided wird gepostet werden denn das ist der eigentlich name des threads.

so aber weisst du was.. ich lass dich in deiner welt, mit deiner ansicht weiterleben. mit all den selbst erzeugten und von anderen übernommenen und angelernten tabus, system gedanken und alle dem und werde dem post von andros nachkommen.
und die links zu den fotos posten wie von ihm geschrieben. somit sind die fotos verdeckt + die in der pm angesprochene technische machbarkeit ist auch geregelt und fertig weil auf sowas lass ich mich nicht länger ein mit dir.
uneinsichtigkeit ist eine sache vernunft und anstand eine andere ich wähle hiermit vernunft und anstand und gehe dem post von andros nach. ENDE

repost da orginal von eigengrau gehided geworden! daher fotos nun konform zum post von Andros als links!

Fotos !! (achtung tlw heavy content!)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9187/610xcs3.jpg

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6817/1000xaf6.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8273/610xcy2.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8599/610xyc4.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6773/610xwi0.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2aaamg9.jpg

mehr infos zu dieser absolut extremen vorgehensweise > siehe post #57 von mir über diesem !!

Infos zur IDF:
The intial training phase (basic taining, advanced training) in most worldwide combat units is between 8 to 12 months (not including command courses). Israeli men serve 3 years in the regular army (not including officers and NCOs) and when they are released, they serve in the reserves until they are around 40, although they can volunteer for more if they are fit for it.


News:
According to reports and AlJazeera the IDF is using the following tactic:
IDF armor and infantry advance a few hundred meters from their positions into the outskirts of an urban area, draw fire, then call in artillery or the IAF. Afterward bulldozers will move in and clean up.

dem orf is das alles nicht mal einen platz ganz oben wert
(IMG:http://a.imagehost.org/0813/orf.jpg)


einer der aktuellen livestream links:
mms://sn4wm.castup.net/994340005-52.wmv?ct=AT&rg=WE&aid=434&st=0&ts=0&cu=EA7A69C4-FB9B-4207-91B4-13A7FC5975B1&cuauth=80F391DA34923B4C1FC1DB1288CEE1814D08CB8D61DD4CC531D8BFBED407948E3DB50

795814F35AE485F48A6FEF60671834D707A1A38F3D5ADBF09DB381DFADAF5BF9ECC43BEAE&cufn=994340005-52.wmv

einfach in den mediaplayer bei url .. reinknallen oder winamp ect...


http://i40.tinypic.com/vx2lpv.jpg

stream auch hier allerdings mit schlechterer quali:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-mcr-room
Left audio is at the media centre, the right audio is 300 metres from the media centre

wenn bunte streifen kommen ist der stream überlasted...

achtung wie schon so oft.. stream von dieser seite down...

anderer stream http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/liv...?stream=stream3

This post has been edited by [b]dj AcidGreen/Acidrecords: Yesterday, 22:36
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repost post #2
repost da von eigengrau gehided geworden! nun fotos als links!


orf story
http://www.orf.at/090113-33811/index.html

foto updates:(achtung tlw heavy content!)
http://i41.tinypic.com/8ydyc2.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2akfolh.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He2...net/610x-22.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He2...net/610x-20.jpg

mehr da:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...959&page=26



FACTBOX-Developments in Gaza fighting, Jan 13
13 Jan 2009 20:32:12 GMT
Source: Reuters

Jan 13 (Reuters) - Following are developments in the fighting in the Gaza Strip as of 2015 GMT:

(* Denotes new or updated items)

* WEST BANK - An Israeli settler opened fire at Palestinian stone throwers near the West Bank city of Qalqiliya, killing a 15-year-old boy, Palestinian security officials said. An Israeli police spokesman said an investigation had been launched.

* GAZA - An Israeli air strike targeting a car in the southern Gaza town of Rafah killed a Palestinian civilian, medical workers said.

* GAZA - The Palestinian death toll in the offensive since Dec. 27 reached 971, the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza said. The Health Minister of the Hamas-run government says close to 400 of those are women and children.

GAZA - An Israeli tank shell killed four Palestinian civilians in the southern Gaza Strip, medical workers said. Some 26 others were wounded.

HEBRON - Israeli troops near the West Bank city of Hebron shot a Palestinian who tried to steal a soldier's weapon, an army spokesman said. The man died of his wounds in hospital.

GAZA - Israeli forces killed five Palestinian fighters in the suburbs of the city of Gaza and another militant near the southern town of Khan Younis, medical workers said.

SOUTHERN ISRAEL - Palestinian militants fired at least 20 rockets and mortar bombs into southern Israel, the military said. ISRAEL - Israel's death toll since the offensive began is 10 soldiers, while three civilians were killed in rocket and mortar fire from the Gaza Strip.

GAZA - Israeli planes bombed suspected weapons smuggling tunnels along the Gaza-Egypt border, local residents said.

mehr: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LD455606.htm

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Egypt continued on Tuesday to urge Hamas to accept its cease-fire proposal for the Gaza Strip. Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman told Hamas representatives to the talks in Cairo that the organization would have to commit to a one-year cease-fire. Hamas officials told the Egyptians that it would be willing to accept the proposal if the changes demanded by the organization are made.

Spain's Foreign Minister, Miguel Moratinos, met with Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Sunday. He told her that the Egyptian proposal calls for renewing the cease-fire at the end of one year. Moratinos said that Suleiman and Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit told him on Monday that the cease-fire "is a matter of a few days." He added that neither side wants the fighting to continue after United States President-elect Barack Obama takes office on January 20.



nochmal videos + fotos ect.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129416


letztes update bevor ich pennen geh:
für die welche beide sichtweisen sehen wollen: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

wie in israel die medien berichten + die lokalen israelischen nachrichten sich selbst zensurieren und den leuten nicht alles zeigen
+ die israelis sich mehr um ihre soldaten sorgen anstatt über die westliche berichterstattung auch kümmern und auch über die vielen toten nachdenken...

http://www.globalpost.com/livewire/saudi-a...ia-focus-israel

wie es generell aussieht bzgl. was kommt danach und was ist mit usa und obama ect.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/saudi-a...ing-gaza-flames

beide artikel sind sehr objektiv und wie ich finde auch sehr gut geschrieben (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbs-up.gif)

This post has been edited by dj AcidGreen/Acidrecords: Today, 00:52

die ganzen infos hier waren den ganzen tag seit gestern nacht alle weg .... nur wegen den fotos die als foto hier dargestellt wurden
give your thx to eigengrau ohne den massiven nachdruck wären sie vermutlich ganz verschollen gewesen aufgrund von verankerten tabus.
denn ich hätte keine backups von den posts gehabt! weil nicht als notwendig erachtet obwohl ich das tlw. oft mache und mir abspeicher. (themenabhängig um solche aktionen vorbeugen zu können)

ins diesem sinne ;-)
@ alle thread und info intressierten
ps. wer selbst weiss was es für eine arbeit ist all die relevanten quellen abzuklappern und hier zu posten weiss hoffentlich wie ärgerlich so etwas ist, wenn plötzlich ein teil einfach fehlt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) vorallem für die vielen leut die den thread bisher also info quelle genutzt haben + per email und co. darauf verwiesen haben wie einige freunde und bekannte von mir die auch nicht sehr glücklich waren das ein teil einfach weg war.
falls ihr infos ect. im netz findet > ihr seid herzlich eingeladen hier auch mit zu posten gell hehe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/satisfied.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbs-up.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbs-up.gif)

Der Beitrag wurde von dj AcidGreen/Acidrecords bearbeitet: 14 Jan 2009, 20:08

danke!

ich hab ja so und so net den kopf das ganze jetzt wirklich intensiv mitzuverfolgen, aber einfach so auf Ö3 mal nebenbei zu hören "bisher wurden 1000 Palastinenser getötet,3 raketen schlugen in israel ein" ist einfach zu wenig...

Deshalb macht der acid da ganze arbeit, er zieht das wichtigste raus....bilder videos... öffentliche berichte livestreams... und so hab ich auch ein wenig einblick in das ganze, auch wenn viel propaganda, dabei ist (das merkt man dann eh, wenn ma hirn hat, und selbst aus propaganda entspringt wahrheit...sie zu erkennen...najo da muss man eh net der hellste sein)

keine sau spricht vom dem, und kein schwanz intressierts, so kriegens wenigstens ein paar tb-user mit...und bilder sagen einfach mehr als tausend worte...is einfach so.

...whatever, das mit den links statt fotos...ok notlösung... find ich aber net leiwand! aber whatever.

@ phat


bitte gerne ;-)

für mich isses auch massivst zeitaufwändig nur ich verfolge damit auch ziele welche vielleicht einigen (auch den gästen des boards) als eyeopener dienen falls nicht schon passiert.

zusätzlich sei noch gesagt das der erste gedanke es als pics zu posten der eh schon mehrmals genannte war + zusätzlich müsse in der jetzigen form alle links einzelnd angeklickt werden und sowas ärgert mich pers. sehr auf div seiten und für mich pers ist da irrelevant welcher content weil > mehr hackn für den user. aber was solls. ich hab mein statement eh schon abgegeben ...



nochwas vom 8.1 (VIDEO)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7817044.stm


soo gleich mal ein update: (14.1) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused.gif)
UNICEF: 300 Gaza children killed, 1,500 wounded since start of Israel`s offensive (AP)

Hamas health minister: More than 400 of Gaza dead are women, children (Reuters)

Gaza doctors: Palestinian death toll in Gaza exceeds 1,000 (DPA)

abweichungen > die genauen zahlen werden wir sowieso nie wissen...


bzgl. LIVE STREAM !!
derzeit noch keinen funzenden gefunden und auch keine infos... hoffe sie haben den kammeramann nicht auf seinem dach bombardiert und hoffentlich lebt der treue begleiter aller vergangenen nächte "phoenix" wie er von vielen oft genannt wurd der gockelhahn auch noch der tag und nacht am stream gegackert hat.
[Edit runterscrollen wo in bunt LIVESTREAM steht. der funzt]

hierzu auch bald (sofern ich das file noch finde und hoffentlich gespeichert hab) mal ein auszug aus einem chat der auf einer der seiten dem stream daneben beigefügt war ;-)

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nochmal ein VIDEO von den luftangriffen vom 13.1
glaub das hab ich noch ned gepostet gehabt
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7825684.stm



nächstes update von heute:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/default.stm
links unterhalb auf der seite einfach anklicken. geht auch politisch angeheitert ziemlich heavy zu.

VIDEOS vom video stream ect. auch hier:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/gaza-attack
(runterscrollen bis > wo steht "insupport's Video Clips" und einfach die pics anklicken wird dann oben im player abgespielt...)
nochwas zu dem Chat! achtung!! leute: der chat dort ist super auch super für die moralapostel unter euch und co geeignet.....
leider schon zig mal dort gelesen >> jews go back to the oven und so zeugs.
also nur dort vids schaun oder entweder chat mit lesen, mitposten und/oder, moralapostel spielen/akzeptieren das es leider auch solche leute gibt und zwar garnicht wenig davon wie man hier sehen kann auch bei div demos! einfach paar links anklicken
http://www.google.at/search?client=firefox...nG=Google-Suche


LIVESTREAM
aktuell funzender STREAM link! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...amp;ar=NanaTV01
derzeit grad ziemlicht ruhig.. zwei rettungen waren grad zu hören ... + phoenix (gockelhan) ist derzeit nicht hörbar :-( hoffe er is noch am leben.


noch ein weiterer anderer video nachrichtenstream
http://wwitv.com/a1/b3830.asx
(wie soeben grade mitbekommen ... israel hat angeblich eine chemische fabrik mit einer rakete getroffen...)

VIDEO vom 4.1 (heftige explosionen) vom jemandem am livestream recordet worden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxQwGlDpdnI...feature=related


mehr videos:
vorher gut durchatmen (sofern benötigt) oder bleiben lassen ...

sniper schießen auf israelis soldaten.. not verified...
Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades vs Israel Defence Force
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCqfnIeWWZw

nochmal sniper schießen auf israeli soldaten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Cv8nTcLYI

der sniper video der gestern auch am orf in den nachrichten war!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhY_5CiOOwM

nachrichten vom 12ten tag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKP72Lqut0...feature=related

gaza...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AcFxgJihEY...feature=related

aus einem anderen konflikt mit israel (weiss libanon ect.. aber ich vermut mal) nicht ob (ohne worte)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LE7AhZEjiw...feature=related

wirklich sehr guter video über israelische (bis merkava III) panzer und historie + vergangene konflikte + die heftigen guerilla taktiken der gegner und wie sich diese im netz infos geholt haben um die gefährdeten stellen der panzer heraus zu finden (derzeit ist merkava IV aktuell) (4 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWxKfxD9HMw...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdF3_r2KKIY...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYr54MxDzWQ...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2CGGZ_g9Hk...feature=related


gaza stream recordings:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/cointheorist

Von Wikipedia
"In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan."

idf news:
IDF confirms that Shayetet 13 (naval commando) are taking part in the operation since day 1

14.1 news
Haaretz:
Saudi king calls emergency summit of Gulf Arab states on Israel`s Gaza offensive (Reuters)

Hamas to hold news conference in Cairo at 8 P.M. (Reuters)

Gaza militants fire phosphorus bomb into w. Negev for first time, no injuries (Ch. 10)
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas...1467988347.html (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif)
The president of the UN General Assembly has condemned Israel's killings of Palestinians in its Gaza offensive as "genocide".
Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann also told Al Jazeera he had never believed that the UN Security Council would be able to stop the violence in Gaza and that Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, had practically told the UN to "mind their own business" by continuing the offensive.
"The number of victims in Gaza is increasing by the day... The situation is untenable. It's genocide," d'Escoto said at the UN in New York.
About 970 Palestinians have been killed and 4,300 injured since Israel began its Gaza offensive on December 27, which it says is to stop Palestinian fighters attacking Israel with rockets.
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WTF!
(IsraelNN.com) Initial reports say that Hamas in Gaza has agreed to Egypt's ceasefire plan. This would involve a cessation of hostilities as a first step. Later, crossings between Gaza and Egypt would reopen but they would be monitored by Fatah personnel and not Hamas's people. Hamas is expected to announce the main points of the agreement at a news conference later Wednesday evening.
Will Hamas's army remain intact?
Outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni have insisted that any truce must be conditioned on guarantees that Hamas will not be able to smuggle more weapons into Gaza. However, no mention has been made of the arsenal that remains in the hands of the Hamas army and allied terrorist groups.
Gaza terrorists possessed roughly 3,000 rockets, and possibly more, before the current fighting, estimates Knesset Member Yuval Steinitz (Likud), a former chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee.
Bar-Ilan University's Dr. Shlomo Shapiro said that although he does not know how many rockets Hamas possesses, it is probable that the number is more than the official estimate. He pointed out that Israeli officials underestimated Hizbullah's strength before the Second Lebanon War two years ago.
Accepting IDF estimates that 50 percent of the rocket arsenal has been eliminated and that another 600 rockets have been fired on Israel. Hamas retains at least several hundred rockets, most of them short-range, that still can wreak havoc on southern Israel.
Israeli intelligence officials estimated that Hamas amassed a 15,000-strong and well-trained army before Israel launched its Cast Lead counterterrorist campaign in Gaza. Many of the Hamas fighters trained in Lebanon and Iran under Hizbullah and Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers.

More here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129429
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Army Defuses Booby-Trapped Rockets Aimed at Israel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
A Lebanese Army patrol on Wednesday defused three booby-trapped rockets that were set for launching from the southern region towards Israel, an Army communiqué said.
The communiqué said the three rockets were booby-trapped with TNT and set for launching "in an hour."

An Army sapper defused the rockets that would be destroyed in place, the communiqué added.

The rockets were found by Lebanese troops and U.N. peacekeepers in the same area from which three rockets were fired at northern Israel earlier in the day.

Booby trapping the rockets apparently aims at targeting the side that would try to defuse them. It was the first attempt of its kind in south Lebanon since the 2006 war between Hizbullah and Israel.
Beirut, 14 Jan 09, 16:16
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Interesting:
Assad calls for halt in op, rocket fire

In interview with BBC Syrian president claims Gaza fighting is dangerous because it is 'planting seeds for extremism, terror in Middle East'
Syrian President Bashar Assad called on Israel to cease its military operation in Gaza immediately, while simultaneously demanding that Hamas cease its fire towards Israel.

In an interview with the BBC network Assad warned that the fighting in Gaza could lead to the exacerbation of Islamic extremism in the Middle East.

"The effects of the war are more dangerous than the war itself," he said during Wednesday's interview. "It's planting the seeds for extremism and terror in the entire region."

mehr füg ich wie gehabt als EDIT ein ... ;-)


LIVESTREAM
aktuell funzender STREAM link! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...amp;ar=NanaTV01
phoenix (gockelhan) ist derzeit nicht hörbar :-( hoffe er is noch am leben.

Noch ein ANDERER STREAM der auf eine Strasse filmt
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=264&ar=Live03


STREAM LINKS UPDATE: (einfach checken .. wenn einer ned funzt nächsten versuchen, tlw senden manche dann auch wieder ihren normalen stuff
aber sobald links oben im bild ramattan steht isses der stream. bzw. sehts das je eh selber ;-) )
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...aTV01&dr=02
http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/u...ticle4130280.ab
http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/liv...?stream=stream3
http://www.hiwarforum.com/
http://www.islamchannel.tv/streamVideo.asp...=mp&conn=bb
http://www.muslimco.com/gaza3.asx
http://switch434-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.as...mp;ar=CH2News_2
http://scientol0gy.org/
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-mcr-room
http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs...am-watch-it-now
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...aTV01&dr=02
http://switch206-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.as...amp;ar=NanaTV01
http://wwitv.com/a1/b3830.asx
http://www.justin.tv/frboston
http://switch434-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.as...mp;ar=CH2News_2


nochmal news bzgl. waffenstillstand:
#1
Muhammad Nazal, a member of Hamas' political bureau, told al-Jazeera, "We have not accepted the Egyptian ceasefire initiative, but we have not rejected it either. We presented our reservations about the proposal and if they are not taken into account â€" we cannot accept it."

Nazal said that in his opinion "the talk of progress only exists in the media," and stressed that "Hamas is unwilling to agree on a permanent ceasefire because the significance of this would be to halt the resistance." (Roee Nahmias)

#2
ANALYSIS / Egypt's Gaza truce plan is mostly bad for Hamas

After 19 days of fighting and more than 1,000 Palestinian fatalities, the first significant signs that Hamas is breaking could be seen Wednesday night. Hamas representatives to talks with Egypt announced an agreement in principle on Wednesday to the Egyptian cease-fire proposal. They also demanded several clarifications, primarily from Israel.

The war in Gaza isn't over yet. The final days of the Second Lebanon War show that it's best to be wary of agreements that come too early. But the way things looked on Wednesday, Hamas seems to be willing to accept the Egyptian initiative, which is almost a kind of surrender agreement for it.

The Egyptian proposal is mostly bad for Hamas. It doesn't let the organization bring the Palestinian public any political achievement that would justify the blood that has been spilled, and even forces on it the return of the Palestinian Authority to Gaza, in the form of its renewed presence at the Rafah crossing (as a condition for its reopening).

Once the cease-fire is reached, the IDF will withdraw from the positions it captured in Gaza, and only then will the two sides begin to discuss the opening of border crossings and removal of the blockade, which was the reason Hamas gave for waging war. The most that Cairo is offering is a timetable for the opening of the crossing points, and even that depends on negotiations due to begin after the cease-fire is reached, and it's tough to know how or when they will end.

Source/More: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055543.html

NEWS heut von mir selbst recordet von PressTV: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbs-up.gif) (ca. 20mb) (info paar tote zu sehen, selber entscheiden)
zusätzlich auch infos zu demos im iran ect. die ziemlich heavy ausgefallen sind
http://rapidshare.com/files/183327895/presstv_14.1.asf

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IDF and Hamas close combat less than a mile from camera. Livestream!

http://switch206-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.as...amp;ar=NanaTV01
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/gaza-attack
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=...aTV01&dr=02
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rick-one (mit grünem bild...>> nein kein video durch ein nachtsichtgerät...)


oder im post oberhalb die links durchchecken ... die zwei funzen grad... der untere link sogar besser weil der eine kopie vom hauptstream ist..

Da ist grad die Hölle los! ... >> dürft wieder eine heftige nacht werden ...

YEAH der gockelhahn lebt auch wieder !!!

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Rights Groups Seek Gaza War Inquiry


JERUSALEM â€â€� Nine Israeli human rights groups called on Wednesday for an investigation into whether Israeli officials had committed war crimes in Gaza since tens of thousands of civilians there have nowhere to flee, the health system has collapsed, many are without electricity and running water, and some are beyond the reach of rescue teams.

"This kind of fighting constitutes a blatant violation of the laws of warfare and raises the suspicion, which we ask be investigated, of the commission of war crimes," the groups said in their first news conference on the 19-day-old war.

The president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, Jakob Kellenberger, who spent Tuesday in Gaza City, agreed that the situation with civilians was dire but said the principal hospital was making do with medical supplies, and doctors, working around the clock, were mostly coping with the flow of injured.

"In general they did not complain about the lack of equipment or material," he said at separate a news conference in Jerusalem.

As the Gaza death toll passed 1,000, Hamas militants fired off more than a dozen rockets into Israel, including four longer-range ones near the cities of Beersheva and Ashdod, sending a message of menace but causing no injuries. Three rockets were also fired from Lebanon into northern Israel and Israel returned fire to the source.

Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, spoke up from hiding and in a taped audio message called on Muslims everywhere to fight Israel in holy war.

Efforts to reach a cease-fire made progress with some officials predicting a deal could be five to six days away. Hamas leaders met with Egyptian officials in Cairo and agreed in principle to a monitoring force composed of Europeans on Gazan soil to prevent smuggling of weapons, according to a senior Egyptian official. A senior Israeli was due in Cairo on Thursday to discuss the plan.

Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak and his generals favor a temporary cease-fire of several days to a week â€â€� partly so that when Barack Obama is inaugurated as president next week it would be in the middle of a lull rather than battle and his administration could offer views on the next step, Israeli officials said. Mr. Barak has been in close touch with Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates who will hold the same position after the inauguration that he holds now.

The short-term cease-fire would, if successful, be followed by a negotiated year-long truce, something which Egypt says Hamas also favors if it includes an opening of commercial traffic into Gaza. There remain, however, splits in Hamas between those who are Syria-based and those in Gaza. The Gazans are more open to a week-long break while the Damascus officials want something from Israel in return for holding fire then.

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon arrived in Cairo early in the day as part of a regional tour to help press for implementation of a Security Council resolution calling for a cease-fire. He met with President Hosni Mubarak and then issued a plea for peace.

"I repeat my call for an immediate and durable ceasefire," he said at a press conference with the Egyptian foreign minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit. "Hamas rocket attacks must stop and at the same time I have been condemning the excessive military operation by the Israelis."

The president of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, also called for a cease-fire, saying in an interview with the BBC, "The effect of war is more dangerous than war sowing seeds of extremism and terror around the region."

The Israeli human rights groups that called for an investigation said that while they believed it was legitimate for Israel to bomb military installations, it was a violation of international law for it to hit civilian sites like government buildings that contained no weapons or missiles.

The group included the Israel section of Amnesty International, B'Tselem, Gisha and Physicians for Human Rights â€â€� Israel.

Mr. Kellenberger of the Red Cross said Israel had facilitated his trip to Gaza and added that he had seen no evidence of the use of white phosphorous, an obscurant used in military conflicts that can be dangerous for civilians under certain circumstances and that Palestinians say Israel is firing.

Last week, the Red Cross issued an unusually harsh condemnation of Israel for failing to allow its personnel into Gaza to rescue people trapped in battle. On Wednesday, Mr. Kellenberger said that although the situation remains critical, rescue missions had not been entirely shut down. The organization rescued 100 people trapped in Jabalya, north of Gaza City, on Tuesday.

The Red Cross representative in Israel, Pierre Wettach, added that he now believed Israel was trying hard to facilitate his group's access to the wounded.

"At this stage, they want as far as possible that these things work," he said, referring to rescue missions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/world/mi...1&ref=world


comment jetzt gerade zum livestream aus einem anderem forum:

Very many people dead... It was very deadly attack what those tanks made. They came from nowhere, opened fire and shoot everywhere without any movement anywhere... 50 rounds to houses all around... Just killing people!!!

Now ambulanses are rushing to that mess!!! This is just terible and crazy, we just witnessed a huge war crimes. There was No Hamas fighter anywhere near those places, none.

It was totally silence and suddenly BOOOM. 50 rounds of tank shells to everywhere without any aiming.... Bastards....


info von mir >>
ich hab keine ahnung was da grad los war, ich hab auch nur zig einschläge gesehn war echt extremst grad und sehr fraglich wie da überall gegener gestanden sein sollen die haben alles komplett beballert mit panzergranaten


holy shit!
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WKPwYWwED2I&...re=channel_page
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=q8hxap7iIO0&...re=channel_page

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news von heute:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on IDF soldiers to refuse orders. The call was posted on his official website, and also featured a plea to Israelis, Jews and Arab alike, to protest the Israeli offensive in Gaza. (Reuters)

Palestinians reported that the IDF attacked a Red Crescent hospital in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood east of Gaza City and the building caught fire.
The Al-Jazeera network reported smoke could be seen coming out of the hospital building. (Ali Waked)

Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza City up in flames after hit in fighting (Haaretz)

komplett zerstörter wohnblock
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Unbedingt lesen!!!


Palestinians look through the rubble of a damaged building after an Israeli airstrike in Gaza City, Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2009. Two and a half weeks of Israel's fierce assaults on Gaza's Hamas rulers have destroyed at least $1.4 billion worth of buildings, water pipes, roads, power lines and other assets, independent Palestinian surveyors say.(AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)







First Gaza damage estimate: $1.4 billion

By KARIN LAUB – 14 hours ago

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Israel's fierce assault on Gaza's Hamas rulers has destroyed at least $1.4 billion worth of buildings, roads, pipes, power lines and other infrastructure in already impoverished territory, Palestinian surveyors estimate.

Arab and Western countries will be called on to foot much of the bill to rebuild — which Palestinian economists say could take five years or more.

The Israeli military says it has bombed over 2,500 Hamas-linked targets since Dec. 27, including 250 tunnels the militant group used to smuggle in arms as well as large amounts of weapon stockpiles and rocket launcher squads.

Even with the Israeli offensive going full throttle, the international community is starting to tackle the formidable postwar challenge. Europe's top four fundraisers for the Palestinians — the foreign ministers of France and Norway, the European Union external relations commissioner and the international Mideast envoy — are meeting in Paris on Thursday to discuss Gaza's reconstruction and the possibility of holding a new donors' conference.

The last one, held in December 2007 at a time of renewed Mideast peace hopes, secured promises of $7.7 billion in aid through 2010. However, donors may have a tougher time contributing large sums in the current global financial crisis.

Another concern is whether a cease-fire deal will lift the blockade Israel and Egypt imposed on Gaza after Hamas seized the coastal strip in June 2007 and ousted the forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who now controls only the West Bank.

"You cannot rebuild Gaza without open borders," said Tor Wennesland, the top Norwegian diplomat in the Palestinian territories.

Yet ending Gaza's lockdown will require compromises that seemed impossible before the Israeli offensive.

Hamas will have to relinquish some control by allowing a buffer force to deploy on the crossings, most likely international monitors, Abbas' troops or both.

Gatekeepers Egypt and Israel say there's no way they'll agree to give Hamas, viewed as a violent Iranian proxy, a final say over who and what enters and leaves Gaza. But if they accept a new border regime with monitors, that would inevitably strengthen the Islamic militants' rule over Gaza.

In any arrangement, rivals Abbas and Hamas will have to find a way to work jointly, not just to run the crossings but to oversee reconstruction projects. The two have been unable to come up with a power-sharing formula since Hamas defeated Abbas' Fatah movement in 2006 parliament elections.

Working out such understandings will take time, something Gaza's 1.4 million people may not have.

Israel says Hamas is using civilians as human shields and hiding its weapons in civilian areas. But the humanitarian crisis is becoming more pressing every day, according to the U.N. and human rights groups.

Tens of thousands have been displaced and the vast majority of Gazans depend on food handouts. Power cuts are widespread and at least 250,000 Gazans have been without electricity since Israel launched its offensive, aimed at halting Hamas rocket fire at southern Israel.

Sewage levels are rising precariously in rickety reservoirs. With nearly 4,000 wounded, along with about 1,000 killed, hospitals are increasingly overwhelmed and the health system is close to collapse, aid groups warn. Thirteen Israelis also have been killed.

Israel has allowed in convoys of supply trucks most days during the offensive, but aid workers say that's not enough to alleviate the crisis.

Even before the fighting, the blockade was pushing Gaza close to the edge.

Unemployment had risen to nearly 50 percent, with an Israeli export ban forcing virtually all of Gaza's 3,900 manufacturers to shut down, the U.N. said in December. Cash was scarce because of restrictions on bringing in bank notes, 80 percent of drinking water was substandard, electricity intermittent and tens of millions of gallons of sewage were discharged into the sea every day because of insufficient treatment facilities.

"It was bad before, it's worse now, and it's not getting any better," said Maxwell Gaylard, the U.N. humanitarian affairs coordinator for the Palestinian territories. "Civilians are bearing the brunt of this destruction of homes and infrastructure."

Gaylard said that once the shooting stops, U.N. crews in Gaza could quickly fix pressing problems, such as distributing more food and repairing some power and water lines. However, larger projects would be harder to accomplish if access to Gaza is restricted, he said.

Just before the offensive, frustrated World Bank officials noted that an emergency project to drain a dangerously full sewage reservoir in Gaza was more than two years off schedule largely because of difficulties in getting supplies into the territory.

Palestinian economists say a renewed blockade after the fighting ends is unthinkable, especially since Gaza's smuggling tunnels — a lifeline that brought in consumer goods as well as weapons — have been largely destroyed.

"A continuation of the closure means the final death blow to Gaza," said economist Mohammad Shtayyeh, who runs a Palestinian economic development council that serves as a liaison between the Abbas government and donor countries.

Even under ideal conditions, with borders open, rebuilding Gaza would take at least five years, he said.

World Bank officials say that with the fighting still raging, it's too early to assess damage.

However, Shtayyeh's council and the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics have begun a first tally.

Based on reports from 56 engineers, the development council said the fighting caused about $1.7 billion in damage in the first 15 days.

This includes $300 million in damage in the southern district of Rafah, on Gaza's border with Egypt, hard hit by bombings because of the smuggling tunnels there, Shtayyeh said. About $135 million was in damage to houses and $35 million to infrastructure, he said.

The statistics bureau reported $976 million in damage and $408 million in lost trade, wages and other income in the first 17 days of the Israeli assault. About 4,000 houses were destroyed and 16,000 damaged, said director Luay Shabaneh.

He said 30 Hamas security compounds, 15 government ministries and the main government complex were demolished.

Earlier this week, Hamas' Cabinet secretary general, Mohammed Awad, told the militant group's Al Aqsa TV that about 1,000 residential buildings had been destroyed, and 25,000 damaged.

Abbas is planning to address an Arab League meeting next week in Kuwait, where he will likely appeal for help for Gaza.

West Bank-based Planning Minister Samir Abdullah said rebuilding Gaza will be impossible if Hamas keeps ruling the territory alone.

"It is a precondition that reconciliation take place and Gaza come under a legal authority," he said. "Otherwise, we can't do anything there ... and the economic situation will become some kind of Somalia."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...gDTs2gD95N51H81

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The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said its compound, where up to 700 Palestinians were being sheltered, was hit twice by Israeli fire and three staff members were injured.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who arrived in the region on Wednesday for several days of intense diplomacy on the conflict, voiced "outrage" at a news conference in Israel over the shelling and said he conveyed a strong protest to Barak, who apologized.
"The defense minister said to me it was a grave mistake and he took it very seriously. He assured me that extra attention will be paid to U.N. facilities and staff and this will not be repeated," Ban said.
UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness said after the incident the agency had put a hold on vehicle movements, but was not suspending aid operations.
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, speaking at the news conference with Ban, accused Hamas of using civilians as human shields.
"And at the end of the day, even though we try to avoid civilian casualties, these things happen," said Livni, who is running for prime minister as head of ruling Kadima party in Israel's February 10 election.
In the center of Gaza city, an explosion blasted a tower block that houses the offices of Reuters and several other media organisations, wounding a journalist for the Abu Dhabi television channel and forcing an evacuation that disrupted coverage of the fighting.
Reuters journalists working at the time said it appeared the southern side of the 13th floor of the Al-Shurouq Tower in the city center had been struck by an Israeli missile or shell.
Israeli forces have encircled the city of 500,000 people for days. Tanks have made forays toward the center to test the resistance of Hamas and other militant groups but have held off a full-scale assault on the densely populated urban maze.
(Reuters)

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according to CNN the U.N compound,including warehouses containing food and med. supplies was hit today by Phosphurous Ammunition !! Its burning out of control and no-one can reach the area and put the fire out because of the fighting...

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01...plea/index.html


And the world just stands and watches...how pathetic our Politicians are !! Fuckers,all of them !!

Der Beitrag wurde von semmel bearbeitet: 15 Jan 2009, 15:56

Auch pervers finde ich, dass die Gegenüberstellung der Opferzahlen nicht als Argument kommt. So simpel ist es nämlich. Pro Israeli sterben 100 Palestinenser. Dies ist ein Kalkül das schon seit Che´s Zeiten in jedem Handbuch für Counterguerilla-Warfare behandelt wird. Eine Zivilbevölkerung, innerhalb derer sich Kombatanten und Terroristen bewegen wird aufs blutigste bekämpft, Exempel werden statuiert, bis die Zivilbevölkerung keinem Kombatanten mehr auch nur ein einziges Versteck bietet, bzw selbst auf die Jagd nach diesen geht.

@ del

genau dazu habe ich in einem der posts weiter vor einen link gepostet wo die opferzahlen in gafiken und statistiken genau gegenübergestellt werden.


hier mal wieder ein video vom 12.1 mit hamas kämpfern und idf helicopter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o-0mEKLUBE...feature=related

weitere videos von gestern nacht vom live stream recordet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaSse-wZoaE...re=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRD8Kz-AKc4...re=channel_page

cnn interview mit einem idf air force angehörigen bzgl. war crimes und phosphor ect. (der feuerball bei 0:47 ist extremst)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwmoS8lhk1A...feature=related
(The Video is of war images from News:
CNN this morning +
DemocracyNow Archives (07-25-06):
The Audio is an excerpt of the 01-03-09 Yonatan Shapira interview:)

noch was bzgl. der phosphor munition die eingesetzt wird.
es sind geschosse welche mit weissem phosphor getränkte bzw umhüllte teile enthalten (keine ahnung was) eigentlicher zweck > erzeugung von rauch. kann aber auch als chem waffe eingesetzt werden... drum auch das verbot es in verbautem gebiet zu verwenden.

wär intressand wie sich die idf selber schützt... ob da an der ersten linie alle mit gasmasken ausgestattet sind ect. (wobei dazu auch gesagt werden muss das gasmasken nur bis zum x fachen eines konzentrationswertes funktionieren und nicht wenn man mitten in dem ganzen rauch steht.)
die verwenden den rauch auch zusätzlich da die hamas nicht durch den rauch sehen können... die idf aber schon weil sie auch wärmebildkameras verwenden und nicht nur nachtsichtgeräte ;-)

interviews mit dem rot kreuz vor ort..
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/h...nterview-110109


OFFTOPIC (jetzt gerade live > George Bush fasst seine super aussenpolitik zusammen!!!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/liv...?stream=stream3

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A local U.N. worker looks at a fire at the U.N. compound after it was struck by Israeli fire in Gaza City January 15, 2009. Israel unleashed its heaviest shelling of Gaza's crowded neighbourhoods on Thursday, hitting a U.N. compound and a media building in what might be a final push against Hamas before a ceasefire deal.

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Palestinian firefighters work to try and put out a fire and save bags of food aid at the United Nations headquarters after it was hit during Israeli bombardment of Gaza City, Thursday, Jan. 15, 2009

phosphor teil...
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John Ging, head of United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) operations in Gaza, walks at the U.N. compound after it was struck by Israeli fire in Gaza City January 15, 2009. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said its compound, where up to 700 Palestinians were sheltering, was struck twice by Israeli fire and three staff members were injured.

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holy shit!!!

wenn das echt der fall ist dann gute nacht .....

idf sagt über lautsprecher durch das die zivilisten ihre häuser verlassen sollen weil sie jetzt kommen ....
zivilisten haben weisse fahnen beim rauskommen und werden erschossen!

bericht hier
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7828536.stm

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getroffener friedhof
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video über die idf nachtaktivitäten (durchs helm nachtsichtgerät gefilmt..auch gut die infrarot laser zu sehen auf auf die hauswand zeigen... )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5glijDWVyU

Hamas confirms Israel strike killed security chief
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas officials are confirming that an Israeli airstrike killed the Hamas interior minister, who oversaw thousands of security agents in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli army confirmed the airstrike.
Hamas television says Interior Minister Said Siam was killed in a strike that flattened a home in Gaza City. A top aide, Siam's brother and his brother's family were also killed.
Siam is considered to be among Hamas' top five leaders in Gaza.

mehr infos hier:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...=1&catnum=0

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(IsraelNN.com) Israel has gone completely crazy, was the reaction of Hamas political head Khaled Mashal on Thursday evening in reaction to Israelâ targeting of Hamas interior minister Said Siyam.

According to Mashal, Israel is storming since it has failed in its dealing with Palestinian activists opposing in the battlefield in the Gaza Strip.Mashal added, The losses of Israeli lives are greater than the losses that the Hamas has absorbed.

IAF pilots killed Hamas Interior Minister Siad Siyam and his brother, Ayad, in an air strike on the latter's Gaza City home Thursday afternoon. At least 20 other terrorists were injured in the strike, according to Palestinian Authority sources.
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news bzgl. waffenstillstand
Gaza ceasefire decision imminent, says UN chief

The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he expected Israel to make an important decision today on whether to cease fire in the Gaza Strip.

"I understand today the Israeli government will make an important decision on a ceasefire. I hope that decision will be the right one," said Ban, who has called for an immediate end to Israel's offensive in the Palestinian enclave.

An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Israeli leaders would decide on their next move following a briefing later on Thursday by their envoy who met Egyptian mediators in Cairo earlier in the day.
http://www.independent.co.uk/service/short...ef-1380281.html

auch das betreffend:
IDF tells troops to push on in Gaza

Commanders tell soldiers to continue attacking targets with full force in wake of materializing truce
In the wake of a progressively materializing ceasefire, IDF commanders in Gaza told soldiers Thursday to continue to seek out their targets and destroy them with full force.
Ground forces composed of Armored Corps and Engineering Corps soldiers began to edge closer to the center of Gaza City Thursday morning, with the aid of the Air Force.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3656995,00.html

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Livestream seit 1,5 stunden ausgefallen!!!

einzig funktionierender ist dieser
mms://sg1wm.castup.net/992640004-52.wmv?ct=AT&rg=WE&aid=264&st=0&ts=0&cu=EA7A69C4-FB9B-4207-91B4-13A7FC5975B1&cuauth=80F391DA34923B4C1FC1DB128ECDE882480CCA8D61DD4CC531D8BFB8D70F918139B40
795814F35AE485F48A6FEF60671834B757A1A38F3D4ADBF09DB381DFADAF5BF9ECA46BEAE&cufn=992640004-52.wmv
und dieser
mms://sg1wm.castup.net/992640003-52.wmv?ct=AT&rg=WE&aid=264&st=0&ts=0&cu=EA7A69C4-FB9B-4207-91B4-13A7FC5975B1&cuauth=80F391DA34923B4C1FC1DB128ECDE8814E0CC08D61DD4CC531D8BFB8D406948F39BE0
795814F35AE485F48A6FEF60671834B757A1A38F3D3ADBF09DB381DFADAF5BF9ECA46BEAE&cufn=992640003-52.wmv
der zeigt aber nur die eine randsteinkammera... (wird tlw von den rettungskräften auch verwendet)


wenn der tower vom ramattan sendern nun auch noch von geschossen ect. getroffen wurde heisst das folgendes:

heute wurden zwei on mediencenter von bomben getroffen!!
die journalisten sind dann alle rüber ins center wo auch ramattan ist.

wenn ramattan nun auch getroffen wurde... rest könnt ihr euch denken ...


LIVESTREAM doch wieder UP!!!!! konnte fast 2 stunden von genau garniemandem empfangen werden!!
http://switch434-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.as...mp;ar=CH2News_2



extrem viele fotos hier auf flickr (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (quer durch die bank! also für die labilen > wer flicker kennt weiss das die vorschau klein ist ... muss ja nicht hinklicken zum vergrößern... rest selber überlegen)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theatrum-bell...57611661503595/

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